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		<title>By: Non Believer</title>
		<link>http://www.dysnomia.us/2008/11/to-all-the-obama-haters/comment-page-1/#comment-8111</link>
		<dc:creator>Non Believer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 22:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I agree with everything Mark said above except the last sentence.
&quot;I do agree that real change in America is nearly hopeless. But if anyone can do it, this guy can.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I agree with everything Mark said above except the last sentence.<br />
&#8220;I do agree that real change in America is nearly hopeless. But if anyone can do it, this guy can.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Non Believer</title>
		<link>http://www.dysnomia.us/2008/11/to-all-the-obama-haters/comment-page-1/#comment-8110</link>
		<dc:creator>Non Believer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 22:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stop fooling yourselves,Obama has done nothing for you yeat and he will not do anything the rest of his time in office-how did everyone like that last stimulas package-seven dollars more on your check a week-wow that is like a gallon of gas now,cut out the welfare and help the people willing to help themselves because they are the forgotten ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stop fooling yourselves,Obama has done nothing for you yeat and he will not do anything the rest of his time in office-how did everyone like that last stimulas package-seven dollars more on your check a week-wow that is like a gallon of gas now,cut out the welfare and help the people willing to help themselves because they are the forgotten ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Intelitary Milligence</title>
		<link>http://www.dysnomia.us/2008/11/to-all-the-obama-haters/comment-page-1/#comment-2961</link>
		<dc:creator>Intelitary Milligence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 23:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He just sold you out. Maybe next time you&#039;ll just go and do the things you want him to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He just sold you out. Maybe next time you&#8217;ll just go and do the things you want him to do.</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 03:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I take issue with your contention that President Obama is just another establishment candidate.  And that he was the product of machine politics.

Obama was not supposed to be the Senator from Illinois when he won.  The Chicago &quot;machine&quot; wanted someone else.  Obama beat that other guy.

Obama was not supposed to be the Democratic nominee.  The &quot;machine&quot; wanted Hillary.

Obama was not supposed to win the election.  The Republican &quot;machine&quot; was convinced they could beat the black guy, so they did a lot to promote Hillary&#039;s collapse.  

I do agree that real change in America is nearly hopeless.  But if anyone can do it, this guy can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take issue with your contention that President Obama is just another establishment candidate.  And that he was the product of machine politics.</p>
<p>Obama was not supposed to be the Senator from Illinois when he won.  The Chicago &#8220;machine&#8221; wanted someone else.  Obama beat that other guy.</p>
<p>Obama was not supposed to be the Democratic nominee.  The &#8220;machine&#8221; wanted Hillary.</p>
<p>Obama was not supposed to win the election.  The Republican &#8220;machine&#8221; was convinced they could beat the black guy, so they did a lot to promote Hillary&#8217;s collapse.  </p>
<p>I do agree that real change in America is nearly hopeless.  But if anyone can do it, this guy can.</p>
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		<title>By: How to Make Barack Obama Keep His Promises at Klintron&#8217;s Brain</title>
		<link>http://www.dysnomia.us/2008/11/to-all-the-obama-haters/comment-page-1/#comment-1042</link>
		<dc:creator>How to Make Barack Obama Keep His Promises at Klintron&#8217;s Brain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Obama Haters: you&#8217;re missing the opportunity of a lifetime [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Obama Haters: you&#8217;re missing the opportunity of a lifetime [...]</p>
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		<title>By: responses to trevor, uly laz, etc re: obama haters &#124; dysnomia.us</title>
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		<dc:creator>responses to trevor, uly laz, etc re: obama haters &#124; dysnomia.us</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] started as a response to comments from Trevor Blake, Ulysses Lazarus and others on my Obama-haters rant. It seems to be turning into notes for a first draft of the political thoughts I&#8217;ve been [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] started as a response to comments from Trevor Blake, Ulysses Lazarus and others on my Obama-haters rant. It seems to be turning into notes for a first draft of the political thoughts I&#8217;ve been [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Datta</title>
		<link>http://www.dysnomia.us/2008/11/to-all-the-obama-haters/comment-page-1/#comment-936</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Datta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The tide is coming in all right. For those who have been following Matt Simmons, Jay Hanson et al, it is already recognizable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tide is coming in all right. For those who have been following Matt Simmons, Jay Hanson et al, it is already recognizable.</p>
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		<title>By: Ulysses Lazarus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ulysses Lazarus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 03:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and FWIW, &lt;a href=&quot;http://blacksungazette.blogspot.com/2008/11/10-reasons-not-to-drink-hope-kool-aid.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my own ten favorite reasons to be skeptical.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and FWIW, <a href="http://blacksungazette.blogspot.com/2008/11/10-reasons-not-to-drink-hope-kool-aid.html" rel="nofollow">my own ten favorite reasons to be skeptical.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ulysses Lazarus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ulysses Lazarus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 03:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been thinking about this for the last week or whatever. Two things strike me as relevant:

1) Your contention that the Obama movement will remain mobilized after his election is conjecture, nothing more. There is no evidence that they will remain a mass independent movement. And given humanity / America&#039;s general tendencies to get behind a tribal leader / celebrity, stop thinking for themselves, and realign reality to fit what they already think, there seems little evidence that this movement per se will exercise anything other than blue-tinted cheer leading. Considering how fitful some Obama people get over suggesting that he might not be able to walk on water, there is more evidence to the contrary. As Wes Unruh points out, the guy basically ran as Sol Invictus. 

2) Assuming that they remain mobilized question is mobilized for what? Counting cheer leading for Obama and what is thus far an administration of Clinton hacks, Chicago thugs, and DNC insiders as non-mobilization, where do they go? You talk about &quot;change&quot; a lot, which is fitting considering the subject. I find it important to remember that, as Christopher Hyatt says, change doesn&#039;t mean anything. It can be either good or bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking about this for the last week or whatever. Two things strike me as relevant:</p>
<p>1) Your contention that the Obama movement will remain mobilized after his election is conjecture, nothing more. There is no evidence that they will remain a mass independent movement. And given humanity / America&#8217;s general tendencies to get behind a tribal leader / celebrity, stop thinking for themselves, and realign reality to fit what they already think, there seems little evidence that this movement per se will exercise anything other than blue-tinted cheer leading. Considering how fitful some Obama people get over suggesting that he might not be able to walk on water, there is more evidence to the contrary. As Wes Unruh points out, the guy basically ran as Sol Invictus. </p>
<p>2) Assuming that they remain mobilized question is mobilized for what? Counting cheer leading for Obama and what is thus far an administration of Clinton hacks, Chicago thugs, and DNC insiders as non-mobilization, where do they go? You talk about &#8220;change&#8221; a lot, which is fitting considering the subject. I find it important to remember that, as Christopher Hyatt says, change doesn&#8217;t mean anything. It can be either good or bad.</p>
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		<title>By: No Gods No Masters</title>
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		<dc:creator>No Gods No Masters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama bailed out the big banks with the 700 billion dollars Congress passed. So Obama is redistributing wealth but from the poor to the rich. No hope here. No hope in hell. He&#039;s going to be another President who&#039;s part of the cult of the market and will believe the market will solve everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama bailed out the big banks with the 700 billion dollars Congress passed. So Obama is redistributing wealth but from the poor to the rich. No hope here. No hope in hell. He&#8217;s going to be another President who&#8217;s part of the cult of the market and will believe the market will solve everything.</p>
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